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What is it and does it still exist?
July 16, 2014
12:41 pm
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Chris Arnold
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Dear All.
I have been given a photograph by my wife of a friend of hers pictured in front of her boyfriend's (later husband's) Wolseley probably taken in the late 1940's/ early 1950's. Along with the photo came the usual request as to the model and whether it is still around. The photo shows Series III radiator vents, easy-clean wheels with bolt-on hubcaps, suicide front doors and over-riders but the Wolseley ghost light does not have the HP badge below it. The registration plate is GMM 475. Can anyone help out with any information? I can scan the picture in and send it if it helps with identification but, although clear, it is only about 4" by 2".
Thanks in advance.
Chris.

July 16, 2014
10:10 pm
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Hi Chris

A good query, and one that is difficult to help with without seeing the picture, (it's a shame that we cannot seem to post pictures onto the forum - I'll have to look further into that!). It doesn't look like GMM 475 exists on the Register's list of recorded vehicles, nor is it shown on the DVLA's database, so I think it is fair to say that it probably no longer exists.

As the car has overriders fitted, then it isn't a 12 or 14HP, (unless someone had them fitted later!). So it is probably an 18, or a Super Six. However, that is as much as I can suggest.

Can anyone else shed any light on it?
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Bob

July 17, 2014
4:35 am
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Send me a picture Chris and I'll try for you.
Graham

July 17, 2014
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Hi Graham and Bob
I've scanned in the picture and sent it to you via the normal e-mail addresses. I hope you can sort out the model for Terry's friend and there is one more item to identify the car that I missed originally. I've only just noticed that it has a slide-up type cover to the starting handle hole rather than a round hole with a bung.
Hope this helps to sort out the model. My guess is Supersix but why no HP badge?
Chris

July 17, 2014
9:12 am
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Hi Chris,
Thanks for the copy of the picture, Bob was right in his thoughts. It's a Series 111 Super Six, the give away is the position of the fog and pass lights. They are mounted higher than the 18/85 and are attached to posts that protrude through holes in the front wings, where as the 18/85's were fixed to a bracket behind the front bumper. All of the Series 111 Super Sixes were identical externally so without the HP badge it would be impossible to tell which of the three it was even if the picture was larger.
Graham.

July 17, 2014
9:25 am
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The badge is only a press fit Chris so it's easy to remove also the 16/65 and18/85 both have sliding covers the same as the Super Sixes.
Graham.
PS, I forgot to mention in my previous post that the sidelights are larger and a different shape on the Super Sixes. This is just visible in the picture.
G.

July 17, 2014
7:37 pm
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Dear All.
I didn't realise, until Graham mentioned it, that the "HP" badge under the Wolseley ghost light was a clip-on unit. I assumed it was part of a larger casting until I checked my car just now.
I think this wraps this question up. We now know this is a Supersix of unknown horsepower and, thanks to Bob's research, it is not known to either the Register or the D.V.L.A.
RESULT
Chris

July 20, 2014
11:02 am
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Hi Chris,
I am very interested to read this stream. If there is no HP badge, but the car is a Super Six, then it is probably a 16hp Series III Super Six. This is the only Super Six that did not have a 'HP' rating stated under the Wolseley badge. The 16/65, 18/85, 21hp and 25hp all had the HP stated, only the Super Six 16hp did not have this. Though as mentioned above it may have been removed at some point.
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Stuart

July 20, 2014
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I didn't know that the 16HP Super Six didn't have the HP badge Stuart, Was this to save any prospective purchasers any embarrassment with regard to the lack of performance? If so this could explain it's absence and resolve the mystery for Chris' wife's friend.
Graham.

July 21, 2014
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Hi Stuart.
Thanks for your valued input. It seems now that, thanks to the expertise of Register members, that the car is a 16hp Supersix and all this worked out from a small photo just showing the first few feet of the car.
Amazing.
Chris

July 21, 2014
10:42 am
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Hi Graham, Yes you are right....to save on the embarrassment me thinks... ;-)

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